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		<title>By: mapquest directions</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasblog.com/2006/01/google-downfall.html/comment-page-1#comment-63978</link>
		<dc:creator>mapquest directions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have to agree with bleh google has come a veryyy long way and they will keep getting further </description>
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		<title>By: Jana</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasblog.com/2006/01/google-downfall.html/comment-page-1#comment-4481</link>
		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Admin, Google at one point will miss out completely on a set of publishers and advertisers. Personally, they banned me twice for no apparent reason, reinstated just as whimsically, and not they have taken me off again. I dont even have a mail from them  why they have done that. I am not going to beg at Google&#039;s door. They will one day miss guys like me. Sure. Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Admin, Google at one point will miss out completely on a set of publishers and advertisers. Personally, they banned me twice for no apparent reason, reinstated just as whimsically, and not they have taken me off again. I dont even have a mail from them  why they have done that. I am not going to beg at Google&#8217;s door. They will one day miss guys like me. Sure. Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: bleh</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasblog.com/2006/01/google-downfall.html/comment-page-1#comment-2197</link>
		<dc:creator>bleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well google has come a long way, give CEO and board of directors credit...

soo... BlEh..............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well google has come a long way, give CEO and board of directors credit&#8230;</p>
<p>soo&#8230; BlEh&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasblog.com/2006/01/google-downfall.html/comment-page-1#comment-2186</link>
		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big, big question --

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.writingup.com/ashok/making_money_without_google_adsense&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;, I encouraged people to go to Commission Junction to get ads.

If you look down into the comment thread &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.writingup.com/ashok/making_money_without_google_adsense#comment-34891&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, someone has pointed out that their ads can&#039;t be placed in one&#039;s own blog?

I&#039;d like your input on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big, big question &#8211;</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.writingup.com/ashok/making_money_without_google_adsense" rel="nofollow">this post</a>, I encouraged people to go to Commission Junction to get ads.</p>
<p>If you look down into the comment thread <a href="http://www.writingup.com/ashok/making_money_without_google_adsense#comment-34891" rel="nofollow">here</a>, someone has pointed out that their ads can&#8217;t be placed in one&#8217;s own blog?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like your input on this.</p>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasblog.com/2006/01/google-downfall.html/comment-page-1#comment-2185</link>
		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of users are helping crack down on plagiarism and spam on WritingUp, and it&#039;s fun to be helpful.

I&#039;ve been heavily promoting affiliate programs among us WritingUp users because I think Vertical markets exist, and if you have time (goodness knows you probably don&#039;t), you might want to just skim my main blog page, where I&#039;ve recommended products that I think my readers should buy, and I&#039;ve used every single product I recommend.

I&#039;d like your answer to this question: a friend (believin&#039; at WritingUp) has set up search boxes on her site, and they&#039;re getting clicks and traffic. Why do those things work, and who clicks on them? I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever used a search box in my life, but I&#039;m not a catalog shopper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of users are helping crack down on plagiarism and spam on WritingUp, and it&#8217;s fun to be helpful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been heavily promoting affiliate programs among us WritingUp users because I think Vertical markets exist, and if you have time (goodness knows you probably don&#8217;t), you might want to just skim my main blog page, where I&#8217;ve recommended products that I think my readers should buy, and I&#8217;ve used every single product I recommend.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like your answer to this question: a friend (believin&#8217; at WritingUp) has set up search boxes on her site, and they&#8217;re getting clicks and traffic. Why do those things work, and who clicks on them? I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever used a search box in my life, but I&#8217;m not a catalog shopper.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasblog.com/2006/01/google-downfall.html/comment-page-1#comment-2183</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with looking for the accounts that don&#039;t &quot;bear fruit&quot;.  However, the problem I have is the process google goes through with these accounts.  They don&#039;t give any warnings, they don&#039;t give them any ability to appeal, and they don&#039;t respond to any emails.

I too am an advertiser.  I pay plenty of money to google each day in adwords advertising.  I understand the advertisers desire to be protected.  

However, right now google is permantly banning people&#039;s accounts who did nothing wrong.  These people are people who are honest, hard working people who just want to do what&#039;s right.  I know them personally.  In the long run, they&#039;re going to do a lot of good for a bunch of advertisers.  Google however, is not going to be the means for that advertising.  Right now, Yahoo isn&#039;t either, but I suspect that at some point Yahoo will have the opportunity to be that company.  

I have now had 3 accounts that were banned and then re-instated when I appealed for the person.  They all tried appealing on their own, and google didn&#039;t even respond to them.  They had no recourse.  Then, when I appealed for them, google finally did something about that.  I have adsense accounts that make a lot of money, and google knows that, and that&#039;s why I believe they re-reviewed those accounts.  

This doesn&#039;t look or sound or feel like a company who is interested in helping &quot;the little guy&quot;, which is how google got to the point they&#039;re at right now.  They&#039;re so big because for years they were interested in helping that single person out there who needed help.  They would respond to support questions.  They provided the best search engine results.  

That&#039;s all changing now.

That&#039;s why I believe google is on its downfall.

Please show me why I&#039;m wrong.  I&#039;d love to believe that google is going to avoid the wall street pressures, but that&#039;s not the way I&#039;m seeing it happen.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with looking for the accounts that don&#8217;t &#8220;bear fruit&#8221;.  However, the problem I have is the process google goes through with these accounts.  They don&#8217;t give any warnings, they don&#8217;t give them any ability to appeal, and they don&#8217;t respond to any emails.</p>
<p>I too am an advertiser.  I pay plenty of money to google each day in adwords advertising.  I understand the advertisers desire to be protected.  </p>
<p>However, right now google is permantly banning people&#8217;s accounts who did nothing wrong.  These people are people who are honest, hard working people who just want to do what&#8217;s right.  I know them personally.  In the long run, they&#8217;re going to do a lot of good for a bunch of advertisers.  Google however, is not going to be the means for that advertising.  Right now, Yahoo isn&#8217;t either, but I suspect that at some point Yahoo will have the opportunity to be that company.  </p>
<p>I have now had 3 accounts that were banned and then re-instated when I appealed for the person.  They all tried appealing on their own, and google didn&#8217;t even respond to them.  They had no recourse.  Then, when I appealed for them, google finally did something about that.  I have adsense accounts that make a lot of money, and google knows that, and that&#8217;s why I believe they re-reviewed those accounts.  </p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t look or sound or feel like a company who is interested in helping &#8220;the little guy&#8221;, which is how google got to the point they&#8217;re at right now.  They&#8217;re so big because for years they were interested in helping that single person out there who needed help.  They would respond to support questions.  They provided the best search engine results.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all changing now.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I believe google is on its downfall.</p>
<p>Please show me why I&#8217;m wrong.  I&#8217;d love to believe that google is going to avoid the wall street pressures, but that&#8217;s not the way I&#8217;m seeing it happen.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha Pachev</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasblog.com/2006/01/google-downfall.html/comment-page-1#comment-2182</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha Pachev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

I understand you are frustrated with the situation. However, I would like to say a few words in defense of Google. They run a large operation. They have to use patterns and algorithms rather than individual case reviews to be able to manage their system. Imagine for a second you were put in charge of Google Adsense. What would you do?

There exist many sophisticated ways to abuse the system to the point of making it of no worth. You have to create an effective method of defense. If I were to solve the problem, I would apply the principle &quot;you shall know them by their fruits&quot;. I would track the accounts that produce an abnormally low conversion rate for the advertiser. Maybe there would be some other parameters in addition.  Perhaps I may resort to auto-banning the red flag accounts as it may become impossible to review each one individually. 

I would suggest you analyze the banned accounts from perhaps a different point of view. Are they bearing fruit for the advertiser? If you were the advertiser, would you want your ads on their pages? Would you get a good conversion rate from the click-throughs? If not, what can be done to make them bear fruit, make it indeed a win-win for both the publisher and the advertiser?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>I understand you are frustrated with the situation. However, I would like to say a few words in defense of Google. They run a large operation. They have to use patterns and algorithms rather than individual case reviews to be able to manage their system. Imagine for a second you were put in charge of Google Adsense. What would you do?</p>
<p>There exist many sophisticated ways to abuse the system to the point of making it of no worth. You have to create an effective method of defense. If I were to solve the problem, I would apply the principle &#8220;you shall know them by their fruits&#8221;. I would track the accounts that produce an abnormally low conversion rate for the advertiser. Maybe there would be some other parameters in addition.  Perhaps I may resort to auto-banning the red flag accounts as it may become impossible to review each one individually. </p>
<p>I would suggest you analyze the banned accounts from perhaps a different point of view. Are they bearing fruit for the advertiser? If you were the advertiser, would you want your ads on their pages? Would you get a good conversion rate from the click-throughs? If not, what can be done to make them bear fruit, make it indeed a win-win for both the publisher and the advertiser?</p>
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